Further details of the children of Ann McKenzie and John McDonald - where known

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Further details of the children of Ann McKenzie and John McDonald - where known

Ann Mckenzie and John McDonald had the following known children: -


Christina, baptised 10th October 1836, Lochcarron

Our Christina McDonald, aged 35 married John Hall on 5th June 1874 in Partick, Glasgow. Her address at the time was 3 Graham Street, Partick and the marriage certificate names her parents as John McDonald, coppersmith, and Ann McKenzie. The witnesses were Alexander and Ann McDonald, I assume her brother and sister. Her husband, John Hall, was born 13th August 1838 in Dysart, Fife, the son of Walter Hall, a sail maker, and Cecilia Meikle, who were married 13th March 1837, also in Dysart, Fife. The marriage was referred to in a letter of 12th January 1881 from Ann's niece Margaret McDonald to her brother Roderick McDonald in Melbourne. In this letter she writes : - "Mr & Mrs Hall that is your cousin Christina McDonald who is married to a seafaring man and all of us was happy to see that you had such a nice family and we hope that they will get on and be a blessing to their parents".

Christina was living at 14 Blackburn Street, Govan for the 1881 census which records her as aged 44, a seamans wife, born in Inverness, Inverness-shire. Her mother-in-law, Cecilia, aged 75, born in Kirkcaldy, Fife is recorded as living with her.

1881 Census (4th April)  Govan (646-1)  Book 6.  Page 4.

14 Blackburn Street, Govan.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Christina Hall Head 44 Seaman's Wife Inverness, Inverness-shire
Cecilia Hall Mother 73   Kirkcaldy, Fife

 

Her husband John is missing as he was at sea or in a foreign port (Zanzibar) on board the Royal naval ship Dryad as "Chief Engineer" at the time.

 

1881 Census (4th April) Vessels RG11 5633 Folio 81 Page 1.

Royal Naval Ship Dryad

Name Age Occupation Where Born
Thomas Slainey 38 Carpenter Devonport
John Hext 38 Commander St Veep, Cornwall
Archibald J. Pocklington 29 Lieutenant Ireland
Moultrie B. Fowke 27 Lieutenant Sibie Heddingham, Essex
Riochard Coles Webb 37 Paymaster Plymouth
William G. Jack 26 Surgeon Scotland
Fredrick W. Mortimore 22 Assistant Paymaster Cullompton, Devon
George McEwen 35 Engineer East Stonehouse, Devon
Richard Boxhall 32 Gunner Shoeburyness, Kent
John Abbott 39 Boatswain Plymouth
William J. (M. D.) Rankin 38 Staff Surgeon Ireland
Benjamin Whitehouse 22 Sub Lieutenant Stoke Damerel, near Plymouth
Herbert M. Heathcote 27 Lieutenant (N) Hursley, Hampshire
John Hall 43 Chief Engineer Scotland
Edwin J. Rattonbury 24 Ass. Engineer Stoke Damerel, Devon

 

Despite extensive searching no record can be found of Christina or John in the 1891 census. However there is a record of  John in the 1901 census employed as a watchman on board the Ormaz in Tilbury Dock. He was identified as aged 61, born in Kirkcaldy, Scotland, employed as a Harbour Nightwatchman, and a widower. I believe that Chrisina had died four years previously having moved to England sometime previously, as there is a record of a Christina Hall, aged 60, dying in the registration district of Orsett, which included the parish of Tilbury, in the October-December quarter of 1897. (Vol. 4a - Page 252)., and Orsett included the parishes of East and West Tilbury.

 

1901 Census (1st April)  RG13 Piece 1661Folio 129.

RMS Ormuz

Name In What relation to Vessel Condition as to Marriage Age Proffession or Occupation Where Born
Alfred John Coad Master Married 37 Master Seas Tetcott, Devon
Hugh Treveor Jones Mate Married 34 Mate Seas Nottingham
Henry Robert Leslie 2nd Mate Single 28 Mate Seas Forrest Hill, Kent
Walter Baynham 3rd Mate Single 24 Mate Seas Dover, Kent
Arthur Vaughan Cowell 4th Mate Single 25 Mate Seas Buenos Ayres, Argentina
Alexander Weir Watchman Married 64 Night Watchman Harbour Aberdeenshire
John Hall Watchman Widower 61 Night Watchman Harbour Kirkcaldy, Scotland
Herbert Cornell Engineer Single 28 Engineer Seas Chelmsford, Essex
William Cossans Workman Married 48 Storekeeper Seas Arbroath, Scotland
Alexander Jardine Workman Married 56 Artisan Seas Dumfries, Scotland
Rupert Goulding Workman Married 33 Boilermaker Seas Silvertown, Essex
Henry Goulding Workman Married 26 Boilermaker Seas Poplar, Essex
William Henderson Workman Married 31 Artisan Seas Aberdeen, Scotland
William Pears Passenger Married 42 Seaman Seas Liverpool, Lancashire
George Fisher Passenger Single 33 Seaman Seas Bradford, Yorkshire
William James Kearle Passenger Single 26 Seaman Seas Glasgow
John Logan Passenger Married 38 Seaman Seas Belfast, Ireland
Antonio Pederu Passenger Married 41 Seaman Seas Barcelona, Spain
Thomas Edward Rimington Crew Married 36 Chief Steward Seas London

There is a further record of what is almost certainly John in the 1911 census for Grays Thurrock. (Also in the registration district of Orsett.) He is identified as aged 72, a widower, an Orient Shipping Company Policeman, born in Kirkcaly, Fifeshire. The schedule was signed by Miss N. Birnie.

1911 Census (2nd April)  Grays Thurrock Piece 9975  Folio 142

28 York Road, Grays, Essex.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Hall Head - Widower - No children Recorded 72 Orient Shipping Company Policeman Kirkcaldy, Fife

There is a record of a John Hall, aged 88, dying in the registration district of Orsett in the July-Septemberquarter of 1926. (Vol. 4a - Page 446). I would expect this was "our" John Hall.


Johane \ Jane, baptised 7th September 1838, Lochcarron

Nothing known after the 1851 census. She may have married as there was at least one daughter married by 1871, i.e. the sister of Alexander referred to in a letter of 31st August 1871 when he states "Your Aunt Ann's son Alex'r McDonald Martin went to New York the second time, & got no work, and his sister's husband is the same way".


Catherine, born 31st August 1840, Cromarty

Nothing known after the 1861 census. She may have married as there was at least one daughter married by 1871, i.e.. the sister of Alexander referred to in a letter of 31st August 1871 when he states "Your Aunt Ann's son Alex'r McDonald Martin went to New York the second time, & got no work, and his sister's husband is the same way".


Kenneth, born 13th May 1842, Cromarty

The first probable reference we have of Kenneth is in a letter by Margaret's husband, Robert McDonald, where in a letter of 6th August 1868 to his son Roderick The reference is directly about Kenneth's brother Alexander but goes on to state." His brother is working now in France" As Ann and John seem to have only had two sons the brother must be Kenneth. I am intrigued as to what he was working on in France!

Our Kenneth McDonald, an engine fitter, of Patrick married Agnes Smith on 23 December 1873 at 3 Graham Street, Patrick, Glasgow. The marriage certificate names his parents as John McDonald, coppersmith, and Ann McKenzie. Agnes was recorded as aged 28, the daughter of Finlay Smith, engine fitter, and Agnes Smith. Her address is given as 3 Graham Street, Patrick, which is the same address that Kenneth's elder sister Christina was living at at the time of her marriage 6 months later. Could it be that Agnes and Kenneth met whilst he was visiting his sister?

Kenneth died of a fractured skull on 25th October 1875 when he fell while working on a gasometer at the Central Gas Works at Bromley, London. His death certificate records his age at death as 34. This incident was referred to in a letter of April 1876 from Ann's niece Margaret McDonald to her brother Roderick McDonald in Melbourne. She wrote : - "Kenneth McDonald, a strong powerful man aged 31 was killed a month afterwards in October last. He was sent to Woolwich near London to put up a gasometer and fell down 72 feet and never spoke. His young wife returned to Glasgow"

There is a record in the 1881 census of an Agnes McDonald, a widow aged 34, born in Pollockshaws, living at 88 Renfrew Street, Glasgow, who is almost certainly Kenneth's widow, the " young wife" who " returned to Glasgow". Agnes went on to remarry in 1888 to a Matthew Wilson, a widower himself. For the 1891 census she was living at 23 Preston Street, Glasgow, with Matthew, a labourer. Also in the household are David Wilson, a labourer, aged 19, and Catherine Wilson, aged 16, a laceworker, two of Matthew's children by his earlier marriage to Mary Colligan (13 April 1860, Neilston).

Agnes died on 22 March 1903 whilst living at 44 Harvie Street, Bridgeton, Glasgow. The informant was Matthew, her husband, and the certificate records her earlier marriage to "Kenneth McDonald - Engine Fitter", with her parents recorded as Finlay Smith, engine fitter, and Catherine Black.. I believe the marriage certificate was wrong with her mother's name and that recorded on the dearth certificate is correct. This is on the basis that there is a record of a marriage a Finlay Smith and Catherine Black on 27 September 1840 in Glasgow.


Alexander, born about 1844

No record of his birth yet found, but he was referred to by Margaret's husband, Robert McDonald, , in a letter of 6th August 1868 to his son Roderick, when he states "I think that I told you in my last that Alex'r McDonald Martin went to New York. He arrived there safe & well. His brother is working now in France. "

And again in a letter of 12th May 1869 when he states 12th May 1869 - "Donald McKenzie (as above) bought the farm with the wood thereon, & built a sawmill to manufacture the timber. Alex'r Martin wrote to him from New York, & received this in the answer, & that he expects to do well by it."

And again in a letter of 31st August 1871 when he states "Your Aunt Ann's son Alex'r McDonald Martin went to New York the second time, & got no work, and his sister's husband is the same way". This also suggests John McDonald belonged to the Martin branch of the Clan McDonald.


Ann, born about 1846

No record of her birth yet found, but from her age on her later death certificate she was born about 1847. She died, a unmarried laundry maid aged 28, on 12 September 1875 at 139 Lambhill Street, Govan. Her death certificate names her parents as John McDonald, coppersmith, and Ann McKenzie. The informant was Christina Hall, her big sister, at whose marriage she had been a witness the previous year. Her death was referred to in a letter of April 1876 from Ann's niece Margaret McDonald to her brother Roderick McDonald in Melbourne. She wrote : - "I mentioned in my last letter to you that your cousin was not expected to live. She died aged 27….. Kenneth McDonald, a strong powerful man aged 31 was killed a month afterwards in October last." This "cousin" was Ann.