The children of John Younger and Marion or Mary Lourie, with notes as to John Younger's and their daughter Isabella Younger

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John Younger and Marion Lourie

John Younger and Marion Lourie were married on 17 January 1811 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, and there are records of 5 children including David born to John Younger and Marion or Mary Lourie \ Laurie in the parish records: (Note although there is variance as to the mother's name i.e. Marion \ Mary and Lourie \ Laurie, I am happy that this all refers to children from the same couple through confirmation by other records.)

It is assumed Marion \ Mary died in 1828/1834 in Midlothian, as their is a rcord of John Younger marring Margaret Watson on 11 April 1834 in Penicuik, Midlothian.

For the 1841 census John and his wife Mary were recorded in Penicuik. John was recorded as aged 46, a Journeyman Paper maker, and Mary as aged 45, with both identified as "born in the County". Also included in the household was an Alexander, aged 13, also identified as "born in the County" who it is assumed was John's youngest son by Marion \ Mary Lourie.

1841 Census (7th June) Penicuik (697) Book 5. Page 7 & 8.

Penicuik

Name Age Occupation Born in County
John Younger 46 Paper Maker Journeyman Yes
Margaret Younger 45   Yes
Alexander Younger 13   Yes
 

For the 1851 census John and his wife Mary were again recorded in Penicuik, at Low Mill. John was recorded as aged 62, a Paper Maker, born in born in Penicuik, Midlothian and Mary was recorded as also aged 62, born in Temple, Midlothian.

1851 Census (31st March) Penicuik (697) Book 2. Page 3.

Low Mill, Penicuik.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Younger Head 62 Paper Maker Penicuik, Midlothian
Margaret Younger Wife 62   Temple, Midlothian

It is believed Margaret Younger, nee Watson, died in 1860, with the death recorded in Penicuik, Midlothian. For the census of 1861 the widowed John was recorded at James Row, Valey?eld, Pennycuik, Midlothian, recorded as aged 73 and formerly a Paper Maker. Included in his household was a housekeeper, Margaret Kinell, aged 40.

1861 Census (8th April) Penicuik (697) Book 5 Page 28

Penicuik.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Younger Head - Widower 73 Formerly Paper Maker Penicuik, Midlothian
Margaret Kinell Servant 40 House Keeper Aberdour, Fife

John Younger died aged 80 on 31 March 1865 in Valleyfield, Penicuik, Midlothian. He was recorded on the death certificate as a Paper Maker, the widow of Margaret Watson, and the son of John Younger, an agricultural labourer, and Barbara Younger, maiden surname Cairns, both identified as December eased. The informant was David Younger, of 15 Cranston Street, Anderston, Glasgow, who was not present at the time of his father's demise. Although he was identified as the "widow of Margaret Watson". However his details in his will confirm that he was one and the same as the John Younger, father of David Younger, so previously married to Marion \ Mary Lourie.

This fits with the record of a record of his birth on 26 February 1786 and baptism on 5 March 1786 in Penicuik, Midlothian, identified as the son of John Younger and Barbara Cairns.

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John Younger and Barbara Cairns

John Younger married Barbara Cairns on 20 June 1777 in Drumelzier, Peebles-shire and there are records of 4 children including John born to John Younger and Barbara Cairns in the parish records:


Children of John Younger and Marion or Mary Lourie

John Younger born on 17 February 1812 and baptised on 1 March 1812 in Cockpen, Midlothian

John Younger born on 17 February 1812 and baptised on 1 March 1812 in Cockpen, Midlothian, recorded as the son of John Younger and Marion Lourie. John married Mary Hutchieson on 26 April 1850 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. Mary was born about 1811.

For the 1851 the couple were recorded with his sister Caroline and her husband William and their children at 122 George Street, Glasgow. John was recorded as a Provision Merchant aged 42, born in Penicuik, Midlothian, and Mary was recorded as aged 43, born in in Dalkeith, Midlothian.

1851 Census (31st March) Glasgow (644) Book 19 Page 9.

122 George Street, Glasgow

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Sutherland Head 32 House Painter Master Employing 2 Men Elgin, Morayshire
Caroline Sutherland Wife 31   Penicuik, Midlothian
Caroline Sutherland Daughter 4   Edinburgh, Midlothian
Mary Ann Sutherland Daughter 3   Edinburgh, Midlothian
Margaret Sutherland Daughter 1   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Grace Barr Servand 17 General Servant Bonhill, Dunbartonshire
John Younger Brother in law 42 Provision Merchant Penecuik. Midlothian
Mary Younger Sister in Law 43   Dalkeith, Midlothian

For the census of 1861 John and Mary were recorded in the High Street of Glasgow, with John recorded as a Victualler.

1861 Census (8th April) High Church, Glasgow (644/2) Book 12 Page 2

High Street, Glasgow

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Younger Head 49 Victualler Penecuik. Midlothian
Mary Younger Wife 52   Dalkeith, Midlothian

John Younger died aged 52 on 15 December 1864 in 292 High Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire. He was recorded on the death certificate as a Victualler, aged 52, the son of John Younger, a Paper maker, and Mary Younger, maiden surname Lowrie. The informant was David Younger, his brother.

For the 1871 census the widowed Mary was living at 292 High Street, Glasgow, recorded as aged 54 and formerly a Grocer's wife.

1871 Census (3 April) Barony (644-2) Book 8 Page 9

292 High Street, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Younger Head - Widow 54 formerly a Grocer's wife Dalkeith, Midlothian

For the 1881 census the widowed Mary was living at East Miller Street in Glasgow recorded as aged 68, and identified as an "Annuitant", born in Dalkeith, Midlothian. Also included in her household was a boarder, Catherine Ord, aged 84, also identified as an "Annuitant", born in Renton, Dumbartonshire.

1881 Census (4 April) Barony (644-2) Book 62 Page 2

61 East Miller Street, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Younger Head - Widow 68 Annuitant Dalkeith, Midlothian
Catherine Ord Boarder 84 Annuitant Renton, Dumbartonshire

Mary Younger, nee Hutchieson, died aged 74 on 23 June 1885 in Old Womens' Home, Rottenrow Street, Glasgow. It is believed the couple had no children.

David Younger born on 30 January 1818 and baptised on 1 March, Cockpen, Midlothian

David Younger born on 30 January 1818 and baptised on 1 March, Cockpen, Midlothian, recorded as the son of John Younger and Marion Lourie. David Younger, a blacksmith, married Elizabeth Adam on 2 January 1837 in Glasgow. Elizabeth was baptised 7 April 1811 in St Quivox and Newton, Ayrshire, the daughter of William Adam, a Shoemaker, and Elizabeth Nisbet. For details Elizbeth Adam, her parents and siblings - click here

Elizabeth and David had the following known children : -

(For further details of the children of Elizabeth Adam and David Younger - click here)

For the census of 1841 Elizabeth and her family were recorded at Cameron Place in Glasgow.

1841 Census (7th June) Barony (622) Book 9. Page 3.

Cameron Place, Barony, Glasgow.

Name Age Occupation Where Born
David Younger 25 Blacksmith No
Elizabeth Younger 25   No
Margaret Younger 3   Yes
Elizabeth Younger 1   Yes
Carolinia Younger 1week   Yes

The family were still in Barony for the 1851 census but now at 15 Cranston Place, and with the inclusion of John and David born in the intervening 10 years.

1851 Census (31st March) Barony (622) Book 24 Page 8.

15 Cranston Place, Anderston, Glasgow

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
David Younger Head 37 Blacksmith Journeyman Cockpen Parish, Midlothian
Elizabeth Younger Wife 39   Ayr, Ayrshire
Margaret Younger Daughter 13 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Younger Daughter 11 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Carolinia Younger Daughter 9 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Younger Son 2   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
David Younger Son 11 months   Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Elizabeth Younger, nee Adam, died on 2 November 1851 in Glasgow.

After Elizabeth's death David married Jessie Provan on 19 March 1852, in Barony, Glasow. I believe that Jessie Provan was probably the daughter of John Provan and Agnes Espie, born about 1818 in Larbert, Stirlingshire. By her, David had another daughter, Agnes Elspie Younger, born 25 January 1853, Barony, Glasgow. For the 1861 census David, Janet and his children by Elizabeth, were recorded in Anderston, Glasgow.

1861 Census (8th April) Anderston (644) Folio 8 Page 19.

Anderston, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
David Younger Head 45 Blacksmith Cockpen Parish, Midlothian
Janet Younger Wife 46   Larbert, Stirlingshire
Margaret Younger Daughter 23 Cotton Weaver Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Younger Daughter 21 Cotton Weaver Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Carolinia Younger Daughter 19 Boot Binder Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Younger Son 12 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
David Younger Son 10 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire

David and Janet's daughter Agnes, missing from the family household for this census, was resident with her maternal grandmother, Agnes Provan in nearby North Street.

1861 Census (8th April) Anderston (644) Folio 8 Page 14.

North Street, Anderston, Glasgowe

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Agnes Younger Head 70 Ladies Nurse Carron Iron Works, Larbert
Agnes Younger Granddaughter 7 Scholar Carron Iron Works, Larbert

For the census of 1871 David and Janet were recorded at 3, Shepherd Street, Springburn. Only John his son by Elizabeth, and Agnes his daughter by Janet were recorded in the household.

1871 Census (3rd April) Springburn (622/2) Book 9 Page 32.

3, Shepherd Street, Springburn, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
David Younger Head 53 Blacksmith - Foreman Cockpen Parish, Midlothian
Janet Younger Wife 56   Larbert, Stirlingshire
John Younger Son 22 Mechanical Draughtsman Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Agnes E Younger Scholar 18 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire

David Younger died aged 58 on 1 November 1876 at Vulcan Street, Springburn, Glasgow. He was recorded on the death certificate as a Foreman Blacksmith, firstly married to Elizabeth Adam, and secondly to Jessie Espie Provan. He was identified as the son of John Younger, a paper Maker, and Marion Younger, maiden surname Lourie, both identified as December eased, and the informant was John Younger, his son, of 30 Paterson Street, (South). He was identified in the Index of Wills as David Younger - Sometime Foreman Blacksmith at Hydepark Locomotive Works, Residing at Springburn D. 01/11/1876 at Springburn, Testate. In his will he left £6,781:16/1.An announcement of the death was carried in the Glasgow Herald the following day.

David Younger
Glasgow Herald 2 November 1876

There is a headstone in Glasgow's Cathcart cemetery, recording not only the death of David Younger and Elizabeth Adam, but also their son John Younger, his wife Georgina Torrance Woodburn, and their 5 grandchildren by John and Georgina.

Transcript of the detail from the Younger Headstone in Cathcart cemetery

David Younger, Foreman Blacksmith at Hyde Park Locomotive Works.
Born April 27th 1814 died November 1 1876.
Elizabeth Adam, wife of David Young.
Born April 5th 1811 died November 3rd 1861.
Interred at Anderston, Glasgow.
John Younger, husband of Georgina T. Woodburn.
Died December 8th 1904 age 56 yrs.
Georgina Torrance Woodburn - Died December 9th 1926.
David George Younger - Killed July 1st 1916.
Robert Govan Younger- Died April 3rd 1918.
Agnes Govan Younger - Died November 7th 1961.
Margaret Govan Younger - Died June 19th 1972.
John Woodburn Younger - Died August 1st 1978.

Jessie and David's daughter, Agnes Espie Younger, married John Stephen Miller, an Iron Merchant, on 26 November 1873 in Springburn, Glasgow. John was born on 7 May 1850 and baptised on 4 June 1850, in Dunoon and Kilmun, Argyll, son of John Miller, a builder, and Jane Jack. Agnes and John had four known children:

For the 1881 census Jessie was recorded in the home of her married daughter Agnes and her husband John Miller.

1881 Census (4th April) Govan (646-1) Folio 10 Page 24

2 Lambhill Street, Govan, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Miller Head 30 Iron Merchant Dunoon, Argyllshire
Agnes Miller Wife 27   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jessie Miller Daughter 6 Scholar Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Jane Miller Daughter 4   Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Janet P. Younger Mother in Law 64   Larbert, Stirlingshire

For the 1891 census Jessie was again recorded in the household of Agnes, along with Agnes's children, Jane and Adelaide. The family were resident at the time at Millfield, Milton Road, Dunoon, home town of Agnes's husband John, although John himself was not listed in the household.

1891 Census (6th April) Dunoon (510/1) Book 8 Page 25

Millfield, Milton Road, Dunoon & Kilmun, Dunoon

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Agnes Miller Wife 37   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jane J S Miller Daughter 14 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Adelaide E Y Miller Daughter 3   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jessie P. Younger Mother in Law 76 Annuitant Stirlingshire

John Stephen Miller died on 14 August 1891 in 12 Rupert Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire. This was the home of his married sister Jane Miller who had married John B. Somerville on 7 October 1873, Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanarkshire. John's usual address was Millfield Cottage, Dunoon, Argyll. An announcement of his death were carried in the Glasgow Herald.

John Stephen Miller
Glasgow Herald 15 August 1891

For the census of 1901 Jessie was recorded as the head of the household at 133, Allison Street, Govan, along with her widowed daughter and her two granddaughters, Jane and Adelaide.

1901 Census (1st April) Gorbals (644/12) Book 66 Page 1

133, Allison Street, Govan, Gorbals, Glasgow

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Jessie Younger Head 85 Annuitant Larbert, Stirlingshire
Agnes Espie Miller Daughter - Widow 48 Annuitant Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jane J S Miller Granddaughter 24 Dressmaker Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Adelaide E Y Miller Granddaughter 13 Scholar Glasgow, Renfrewshire

Jessie Provan, David's second wife, died on 21 May 1904 at 133 Allison Street, Glasgow, the home of her married daughter Agnes E. Miller. She was not recorded on the headstone in Cathcart, although an announcement of her demise was carried in the Glasgow Herald two days later.

Jessie Provan Younger
Glasgow Herald 23 May 1904

Her daughter Agnes Espie Younger died 7 May 1940 at 133 Allison Street, Crosshill. Glasgow. An announcement of her death were carried in the Glasgow Herald.

Agnes Espie Miller, nee Younger
Glasgow Herald 8 May 1940

Thomas Younger born on 30 January 1818 in Lasswade, Midlothian

Thomas Younger born on 30 January 1818 in Lasswade, Midlothian, recorded as the son of John Younger and Mary Laurie. (This would suggest that David and Thomas were twins, born in Lasswade. That fact there is not a record for the baptism of Thomas might suggest that he died in infancy? Alternatively David's birth was initially recorded in Lasswade as Thomas, but changed to David at the time of his baptism in Cockpen?

Caroline Sidney Dove Younger born on 5 August 1821 in Lasswade, Midlothan

Caroline Sidney Dove Younger born on 5 August 1821 in Lasswade, Midlothan, recorded as the son of John Younger and Mary Laurie. Caroline firstly married William Sutherland, a Painter and December orator, on 14 November 1845 in Edinburgh, Midlothian. William was born about 1818 in Elgin, Morayshire. William and Caroline had the following known children:

For the 1851 census the family were recorded at 122 George Street, Glasgow. As their first two children were born in Edinburgh it would look that they started married life in the capital but moved to Glasgow around 1849.

1851 Census (31st March) Glasgow (644) Book 19 Page 9.

122 George Street, Glasgow

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Sutherland Head 32 House Painter Master Employing 2 Men Elgin, Morayshire
Caroline Sutherland Wife 31   Penicuik, Midlothian
Caroline Sutherland Daughter 4   Edinburgh, Midlothian
Mary Ann Sutherland Daughter 3   Edinburgh, Midlothian
Margaret Sutherland Daughter 1   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Grace Barr Servand 17 General Servant Bonhill, Dunbartonshire
John Younger Brother in law 42 Provision Merchant Penecuik. Midlothian
Mary Younger Sister in Law 43   Dalkeith, Midlothian

It is believed that William Sutherland died in 1851/1853 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire.

Caroline secondly married James Hardie on 31 July 1853 in Barony, Lanarkshire. James was born about 1821 in Elgin, Morayshire. Caroline and James had the following known children:

For the 1861 census the family were recorded at Whitehall Street, Barony, Anderston with James identified as a Coppersmith. Both Caroline's daughter from her first marriage, along with both her daughters by James were included in the household. However James born in 1856 to her and James is not. This may suggest his death as a child between 1856-1861 but there is no obvious entry in the Scottish BMD index to confirm this. There is a boarder recorded in the household, an Andrew Hogg, aged 28, a labourer, born in Haddingtonshire.

1861 Census (8 April) Barony (644/8 18/ 11) Book 18 Page 11

Whitehall Street, Barony, Anderston, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
James Hardie Head 40 Coppersmith Elgin, Morayshire
Caroline Hardie Wife 39   Lasswade, Midlothian
Caroline S Hardie Daughter 15 Steamloom Weaver Midlothian
Margaret S Hardie Daughter 12 Stationers Shop Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Hardie Daughter 7 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Davina Hardie Daughter 1   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Andrew Hogg Boarder 28 Labourer Haddingtonshire

For the 1871 census the family were recorded at 2 Hyde Park Place, Springburn with James identified as a Coppersmith working in the H P Works (probably the Hyde Park Locomotive Works. Both Caroile's daughter from her first marriage, recorded in the 1861 census are no longer listed in the household but both her daughters by James, Elizabeth and Davina, are still included. Again there is a boarder recorded in the household, an Augustus LLoyd Davis, a draughtsman at the Caledonian Railway works. His place of birth does not seem to be listed.

1871 Census (3 April) Springburn (622/2) Book 7 Page 39

2 Hyde Park Place, Springburn, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
James Hardie Head 48 Coppersmith - H P Works Elgin, Morayshire
Caroline Hardie Wife 49   Lasswade, Midlothian
Elizabeth Hardie Daughter 16 Book Binder Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Davina Hardie Daughter 11 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Augustus LLoyd Davis Boarder 23 Draughtsman - Caledonian Railway Works -----

For the 1881 census the family were recorded at 2 Flemington Street, Glasgow. Included in the household were their two daughters, Elizabeth and Davina, along with a granddaughter, Caroline McBeath, aged 11. Caroline McBeath was the daughter of Caroline's daughter from her first marriage, Caroline Sutherland and Peter McBeath.

1881 Census (4 April) Glasgow (644-3) Book 94 Page 9.

2 Flemington Street, Glasgow.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
James Hardie Head 59 Coppersmith Elgin, Elgin
Caroline Hardie Wife 58   Lasswade, Midlothian
Elizabeth H. Hardie Daughter 26   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Davina Hardie Daughter 21 Dressmaker (Employing 3 Girls) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Caroline McBeath Granddaughter 11 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Caroline Hardie, nee Younger died 58 on 15 July 1884 at 2 Hydepark Place, Springburn, Glasgow. She was recorded on the death certificate as initally married to William Sutherland, a Hose Painter and latterly married to James Hardie, a Coppersmith, the daughter of John younger, a Papermaker, and Helen Younger, maiden surname Lowrie, both identified as December eased. The informant was her husband James who was present. Obviously her mother's christian name was Marion NOT Helen. An announcement of her demise appeared in the Glasgow Herald two days later.

Caroline Hardie, nee Younger
Glasgow Herald 17 July 1884

Alexander Younger born on 16 February 1828 in Lasswade, Midlothian

Alexander Younger born on 16 February 1828 in Lasswade, Midlothian, recorded as the son of John Younger and Mary Laurie. Assumed to be the Alexander recorded in the census of 1841 with his father and step-mother in Penicuik. Nothing more currently known



Who did Isabella Younger marry??

There are at least two extensive family trees on the internet which reference Isabella Younger as the daughter of John Younger and Barabara Cairns. Unfortunately there is a difference of opinion as to who she married.

One has her marrying a Peter Marnock on 7 March 1793 in Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian. This couple have the following children listed in the parish register -

The other has here marrying an Ebenezer Kemp on 7 October 1797, Penicuik, Midlothian. This couple have the following children listed in the parish register -

Of the two I would be inclined to choose the latter because...

IF as proposed the Isabella Younger who married Ebenezer Kemp was the daughter of John Younger and Barbara Cairns, and IF it was Ebenezer and Isabella's son John Kemp who married Margaret Adam, as suggested on the Kemp family web page this would mean that Margaret Adam and her sister Elizabeth married cousins as both Margaret's husband John Kemp and Elizabeth's husband David Younger were grandsons of John Younger and Barbara Cairns. As both girls would have the same circle of friends and acquaintances from which to find a suitable husband and many of those would be have had family ties this would seem more than likely.

The graphic below attempts to show this potential relationship.