Further details of Ebenezer Kemp and Isabella Younger and their children. Was the John Kemp who married Margaret Adam their son?

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Ebenezer Kemp and Isabella Younger.

Ebenezer and Isobel\Isabells Younger were married in 1797 with an entry in the OPR for Penicuik "Kemp, (Ebenezer) and Isabel Younger both in this Parish gave in their Names for Proclamation in Order to Marriage 7th October 1797". There are records of the following children born to Ebenezer and Isabella in the Penicuik OPR.

There is a entry for the burial for Ebenezer Kemp, aged 74 on 20 August 1838 in the Penicuik OPR, which would make him born circa 1764. There is a record in the Lasswade OPR of an Ebezezer Kemp born on 3 September 1766, and baptised 14 September 1766 in Lasswade, Midlothian the son of Robert Kemp and Lilias Dunn. i.e. "Born 3 Sep'r Bap 14 1766 Ebenezer Kemp SSto Robert Kemp Coal Hewer in Gortoun & Lilias Dun his Spouse Wit: John Saunders & David Spence". As this is only a couple of years out and taking into account that Ebenezer and Isabella named their first born son often named for the paternal grandfather Robert, plus the fact that Ebenezer Kemp is an uncommon name I believe it nis reasonable to accept this as a record of his birth.

There is a record for the burial for an Isabella Kemp, nee Younger, in the Penicuik OPR, i.e. "Younger - Isabella, widow of Eben Kemp, West Mains, aged 61, was interred 4th June 1850". This would make her born about 1789 which would seem highly unlikely if she married in 1797. There is what is also almost certainly a record of Isabella at West Mains farm, West Linton, for the 1841 census that gives her age as 65, which given that 1841 censuses were rounded done to the nearest 5 would make her 65-69, and therefore born about 1771-1776. This would suggest some uncertaintity about her date of birth! However if the age was assumed to be out by 10 years this would fit with her being Isabella Younger, born 8 November 1778, Broughton, Peebles-shire, the daughter of John Younger and Barbara Cairns. This supposition is further supported by the fact that Ebenezer and Isabella named their first born daughter often named for the maternal grandmothering Barbara and their the second born son often named for the maternal grandfather, John.


Robert Kemp born 2 February 1798 and baptised 19 February 1798, Penicuik, Midlothian

Robert's birth was recorded in the Penicuik OPR - "Kemp (Ebenezer) Ploughman in Coats and Isabel Younger his Spouse had a child born 2 February 1798 and baptized 19th named Robert Witnesses John Younger and John Thomson". It would seem that Robert had a child Ebenezer Kemp with a Janet Alexander who was born\baptised on 23 June 1817, in Penicuik, Midlothian. It is believed that Ebenezer and Janet did not marry.

Robert married Margaret Murdoch 5 May 1820 in Penicuik, MidLothian, daughter of James Murdoch and Margaret Marr. Robert and Margaret had the following known children

For the census of 1841 Robert was recorded Samuelston, Gladsmuir, East Lothian. He was identified as aged 42, an Agricultural Labourer, and included in the household were his wife Margaret, aged 43, and their younger children: Robert Kemp aged 12, Isabella Kemp aged 7, and Jean (Jane) aged 1. Who exactly was the intiguingly name Margaret Instant aged 6 is currently unknown.

1841 Census (7th June) Gladsmuir (708) Book 1 Page 8

Samuelston, Gladsmuir, East Lothian

Name Age Occupation Where Born
Robert Kemp 42 Agricultural Labourer No
Margaret Kemp 43   No
Robert Kemp 12   No
Isabella Kemp 7   No
Jean Kemp 1   No
Margaret Instant 6   No

For the census of 1851 Robert was recorded at Needless East Mains, Athelstaneford, East Lothian, identified as aged 49, a "Land Steward". Also included in the house hold were his wife Margeret, aged 53, and two of his daughters Margret Kemp aged 24, and Jean Kemp aged 11, along with a Margaret Dewar, aged 4 months identified as his granddaughter.

1851 Census (31st March) Athelstaneford (703) Book 3 Page 15

Needless East Mains, Athelstaneford, East Lothian

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Robert Kemp Head 49 Land Stewart Penicuik, Midlothian
Margret Kemp Wife 53   Penicuik, Midlothian
Margret Kemp Daughter 24 Bondiger Out Worker Dalkeith, Midlothian
Jean Kemp Daughter 11 Scholar Dalkeith, Midlothian
Margret Dewar Granddaughter 4 mnths   Athelstaneford, East Lothian

For the census of 1861 Robert was recoded at Dolphingston, Prestonpans, East Lothian, in a dwelling which had two rooms with one widow or more. He was identified as aged 60, an Agricultural Labourer, and included in the household were his wife Margaret, aged 63, and a granddaughter, Mary M. Dunn, aged 10 born in Athelstaneford, East Lothian.

1861 Census (8 April) Prestonpans (718) Book 6 Page 9

Dolphingston, Prestonpans, East Lothian - (2 rooms with window)

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Robert Kemp Head 60 Agricultural Labourer Penicuik, Midlothian
Margret Kemp Wife 63   Bololee, Midlothian
Mary M Dunn Granddaughter 10 Scholar Athelstaneford, East Lothian

For the census of 1871.

1871 Census (3rd April) Prestonpans (718) Book 2 Page 15

Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Robert Kemp Head 71 Labourer Penicuik, Edinburgh
Margaret Kemp Head - Widow 73   Dalkeith, Edinburgh

Robert Kemp died 28 December 1875 at 4, Dalry Road, Edinburgh.

For the census of 1881 the widowed Margaret was recorded aged 84 resident at 24a Dean Park Street, Edinburgh. She was recorded as a "Greengrocer" and included in the hosehold was her daughter Jane S. Kemp, and a boarder Catherine N. McKerrow.

1881 Census (4th April) St George - Edinburgh (685/1) Book 126 Page 16

24a Dean Park Street, Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Margaret Kemp Head - Widow 84 Greengrocer Penicuik, Edinburgh
Jane S. Kemp Daughter 39   Cranston, Edinburgh
Catherine N. McKerrow Boarder 19 Shopkeeper London, Middlesex

Margaret Kemp, nee Murdoch died aged 94 on 31 January 1891 with the death recorded in the St George district of Edinburgh.

John Kemp born 18 October 1801 and baptised 8 November 1801, Scotland.

See other section

Alexander Kemp born 9 October 1805 and baptised 23 October 1805, Penicuik, Midlothian

Alexander never married but farmed at West Mains, West Linton with his sister Barabara, and latterly with Barbara's daughter Isabella and Isabella's husband Alexander Hardie.

For the census of 1841 Alexander was recorded at West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire, aged 30, a Farmer. Included in the household Was a J. Younger Kemp, aged 65. It would seem almost certain despite the obvious discrepacies that this was Alexander's mother, Isabella Kemp, nee Younger, who would have been aged about 63 which should then have been rounded down to 60. Also incluede in the household were Barbara Kemp, Alkexander's sister, and Isabella A. Kemp, Barbara's ilegitimate daughter by a John Johnston, and two farm labourers Robert Scott and George Redpath.

1841 Census (7th June) West Linton (773) Book 2 Page 2

West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire

Name Age Occupation Where Born
Alexander Kemp 30 Farmer No
J Younger Kemp 65   No
Barbara Kemp 25   No
Isabella A. Kemp 1   Yes
Robert Scott 15 Agricultural Labourer No
George Redpath 16 Agricultural Labourer No

For the census of 1851 Alexander was again recorded at West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire, aged 45, a Farmer of 80 Acres of heath employing 1 labourer. Included in the household were his sister Barbara, listed as his housekeepr, her daughter Isabella now recorded with the surname Johnston, and 2 labourers James Cairns and Euphemia Crichton.

1851 Census (31st March) West Linton (773) Book 2 Page 13

West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Alexander Kemp Head 45 Farmer 80 Ac Heath Emp 1 Lab Penicuik, Midlothian
Barbara Kemp Sister 40 Housekeeper Penicuik, Midlothian
Isabella Johnston Neice 10 Scholar Linton, Peeblesshire
James Cairns Servant 19 Farm Servant Linton, Peeblesshire
Euphemia Crichton Servant 15 Farm Servant Newbigging, Lanarkshire

For the census of 1861 Alexander was still at West Mains, now identified as a farmer of 99 Acres and employing 2 labourers. His sister Barbara and her daughter Isdbella, were both listed in the household, along with a "Domestic Servant" Margaret Moffat, aged 19.

1861 Census (8 April) West Linton (773) Book 3 Page 10

West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Alexander Kemp Head 53 Farmer 99 Acres Emp 2 Lab Penicuik, Midlothian
Barbara Kemp Sister 50 Housekeeper Penicuik, Midlothian
Isabella Johnston Neice 20   Linton, Peeblesshire
Margaret Moffat Servant 19 Domestic Servant Canongate, Midlothian

For the census of 1871 Alexander was once more recorded at West Mains, now identified as a Farmer of 100 Acres, 75 of which was Arable. His sister Barbara was no longer recorded in the household having passed away the previous year on 11 October 1870, at West Mains, aged 62. However her daughter, his neice Isabella was still listed in the household, aged 30, along with Margaret Moffat, aged 28, who was with the family in the previous census, and an Alexander Hardie aged 19, a Labourer.

1871 Census (3rd April) West Linton (773) Book 3 Page 2

West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Alexander Kemp Head 63 Farmer 100 Acres - 75 Arable Penicuik, Midlothian
Isabella Johnston Neice 30   West Linton, Peeblesshire
Margaret Moffat Servant 28 General Servant Edinburgh, Midlothian
Alexander Hardie Servant 19 Labourer Edinburgh, Midlothian

For the census of 1871 Alexander was still at West Linton, identified as a Farmer of 94 Acres emplying 1 Woman & 1 Boy, but he is the only individual listed in the household.

1881 Census (4th April) West Linton (773) Book 3 Page 1

West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Alexander Kemp Head 68 Farmer Of 94 Acres 1 Woman & 1 Boy Penicuik, Midlothian

However for the same 1881 census there is a second entry for West Linton which lists his now married neice Isabella and her husband Alexander Hardie whom she had married on 6 June 1873, at at West Mains, Parish of West Linton, Peeblesshire. This Alexander, although recorded with an age of 51, is almost certainly one and the same as the Alexander Hardie listed in the previous census as a labourer on the farm, aged 19. Subsequent censuses would suggest that he would actually have been about 30 in this census and was certainly quite a bit younger than Isabella. Included in this household were Isabella and Alexander's children, Barbara Hardie, aged 7, Alexander Hardie aged 6, and John E. Hardie aged 2, along with the servant from the previous 2 censuses Margaret Moffat aged 35

1881 Census (4th April) West Linton (773) Book 3 Page 1

West Mains, West Linton, Peeblesshire

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Alexander Hardie Head 51 Joint Farmer Edinburgh, Edinburgh
Isabella Hardie Wife 40 Farum Wife West Linton, Peebles
Barbara Hardie Daughter 7 Scholar West Linton, Peebles
Alexander Hardie Son 6 Scholar West Linton, Peebles
John E. Hardie Son 2 West Linton, Peebles
Margaret Moffat Servant 35 Dairymaid and B City Parish, Edinburgh

Alexander Kemp died on 6 July 1885, at West Mains, Parish of West Linton, Peeblesshire aged 79.

Barbara Kemp born 13 June 1808 and baptised 3 July 1808, Penicuik, Midlothian

Barbara had a child "out of wedlock", Isabella Younger Johnston, by a John Johnston. The child's birth on 27 April 1840 and baptism on 8 January 1841 were recorded in the West Linton OPR.

Going by all the relevant censuses it would seem that Barbara remained at West Mains farm with her brother, and her daughter until her death on 11 October 1870, at West Mains, Parish of West Linton, Peeblesshire, aged 62. For details see previous.


Was the John Kemp who married Margaret Adam the son of Ebenezer Kemp and Isabella Younger?

John Kemp married Margaret Adam on 29 December 1826 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. The couple have the following children listed in the parish register -

(For further details of the children of John Kemp and Margaret Adam - click here)

Unfortunately John Kemp died between 1841 and 1851 so there is no statutory death certificate to provide details of his parents or his age. He is however listed in the 1841 census with an age of 30, and NOT having been born in Lanarkshire. As far as the age goes, this was suppose to be rounded down to the nearest five which would make him born between about 1806 and 1811. However Margaret his wife, who it is known would have been 36, is also listed as aged 30. Therefore so the best we can say from the documentary evidence is that he was probably born in the first decade of the 19th centuary and he was not born in Lanarkshire!

The Kemp family history website on the internet proposes the John Kemp who married Margaret Adam was the John Kemp who was born 18 October 1801 and baptised on 8 November 1801 in Penicuik, Midlothian, the son of Ebenezer Kemp, a Ploughman, and Isobel Younger, who were married 7 October 1797, Penicuik, Midlothian. I am unaware of any hard and fast evidence that they may have to substantiate this proposal. However the 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census for Isabella, Margaret and John's youngest child give her place of birth as Penicuk, Midlothian (despite the fact her birth was recorded in Glasgow). Margaret and John's first son was named Ebenezer and their first daughter was named Isabella which would also fit with the often followed practice of naming the first born son after the paternal grandfather and the first born daughter after the maternal grandmother. This same format has been followed for the second born son, William, named after the maternal grandfather, and the second born daughter, Elizabeth, named after the maternal grandmother, and the thrid born son and daughter being named after their parents. Allowing for the fact that John Kemp died pre BMD registration, this is about as good a confirmation that John Kemp was indeed the son of Ebenezer Kemp and Isabella Younger that we can hope for.

IF as suggested on the Younger family web page the Isabella Younger who married Ebenezer Kemp was indeed the daughter of John Younger and Barbara Cairns, and IF as proposed here it was their son John Kemp who married Margaret Adam this would mean that Margaret Adam and her sister Elizabeth married cousins as both Margaret's husband John Kemp and Elizabeth's husband David Younger would be grandsons of John Younger and Barbara Cairns. As both girls would have the same circle of friends and acquaintances from which to find a suitable husband, and as many of those would be have had family ties, this would seem more than likely.

The graphic below attempts to show this potential relationship.