Further details of Mary Donald, wife of James Robb

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FURTHER DETAILS OF MARY DONALD, WIFE OF JAMES ROBB For details of Mary Donald's later marriage to James Robb and their descendents Click here

Mary Donald was baptised on 30 December 1801, in Lesmahagow, the daughter of Andrew Donald, a farmer, and Margaret Meikle who were married on 28 December 1786, in Lesmahagow. Mary seems to have been the seventh of twelve children. According to his later gravestone Andrew Donald was a farmer at Blackwood Yett, a farm just to the south of Blackwood, about 3 miles north of Lersmahaygow.

CHILDREN OF ANDREW DONALD & MARGARET MEIKLE 

From the Lesmahagow Parish Register - Brown - From the Mormon IGI - Red

Janet   Bapt. 22 May 1788 Lesmahagow
Susan   Bapt. 17 March 1790 Lesmahagow
Margaret Born 29 February 1792 Bapt. 6 March 1792 Lesmahagow
Elizabeth   Bapt. 1 June 1794 Lesmahagow
William **   Bapt. 12 June 1796 Lesmahagow
Marion Born 19 September 1799 Bapt. 26 September 1799 Lesmahagow
Mary   Bapt. 30 December 1801 Lesmahagow
Robert Born 28 April 1804 Bapt. 6 May 1804 Lesmahagow
Andrew   Bapt. 29 December 1806 Lesmahagow
Janet Born 11 May 1810   Lesmahagow
William Born 1812   Lesmahagow
Jean   Bapt. 15 May 1814 Lesmahagow

In a transcription of the 1821 Lesmahagow Census Return, one of the few pre-1841 census returns to have names, there is -

Householder Forename Spouse Forename Address M F No.
Dougald Andrew Meikle Margret Brakenwoodyet 3 4 957

I would guess this maybe a misreading of DOUGALD for DONALD and BRAKENWOODYET for BLACKWOODYET, with 3 males and 4 females.

Mary Donald's father, Andrew Donald, died on 6 December 1822, aged 60, and her mother, Margaret Meikle, died on 11 October 1839, aged 74. They were both laid to rest in the graveyard of Lesmahagow church, alongside their son, William**, who died on 16 October 1809, aged 13, and these details are taken from their headstone there. 

Inscription on Donald headstone in Lesmahaygow parish church graveyard - (recumbent stone)

 IN
MEMORY OF
ANDREW DONALD
BLACKWOOD YETT WHO
DIED 6th DECr 1822 AGED 60 YEARS
ALSO MARGARET MEIKLE HIS
WIFE WHO DIED 11th OCTr 1839 AGED 74
YEARS WILLIAM THEIR SON DIED
16th AUGt 1809 AGED 13 YEARS

Donald Ancestry

I am confident that this Andrew Donald was the son of William Donald and Susan Torrance/Torrence despite not being able to find any record of his birth\baptism. William Donald and Susan Torrance were recorded as married on 11 November 1758 in the OPR of Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. "William Donald in Blackwood Yett and Susan Torrence in Brackinridge both in this parish". This is based on the following...

  • He called his first son Andrew and his second daughter Susan. Going by the often followed tradition of naming the first son after the paternal grandfather and the second daughter after the paternal grandmother this would fit with his parents being William Donald and Susan Torrance/Torrence. (I believe Margaret Meikle, Andrew's wife was the daughter of William Meikle and Janet Meikle and as their first daughter was called Janet this would also correspond with the naming convention. As both grandfather's were William this was already covered by the naming of the first born son William.)
  • He is described on his gravestone of being of Blackwood Yett, which is where William Donald is named as coming from at the time of his marriage to Susan Torrance and it is where their children were born.
  • There are records of the birth\baptism of the following chidren of William Donald and Susan Torrance: -  It can been seen that the couple had a child every two years or so with a noticeable gap of 4 years 9 months from the first recorded child (20 March 1760), to the second recorded child (25 December 1764). The gravestone of Andrew Donald identifies him as "DIED 6th DECr 1822 AGED 60 YEARS" which means he was born in 1762 and this would fit this gap.
  • There is a DNA connection between my wife who is a descendant of Andrew Donald and a descendant of Robert Donald, confirmed as a child of William Donald and Susan Torrance through his death certificate of 1858.
  • Additional Donald Ancestry

    It would appear that the farm at Blackwood Yett may have been tenanted by the Donald's over a number of generations and this allows a fairly confident identification of their lineage going back to the 17th century as follows....

  • As already stated William Donald and Susan Torrance were recorded as married on 11 November 1758 in the OPR of Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. "William Donald in Blackwood Yett and Susan Torrence in Brackinridge both in this parish". One would assume William to have been in his early twenties when he married, and there is a record of a William Donald baptised on 25 May 1735 in the OPR of Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire to a William Donald and Marion Pait. - "William son to Wm Donald and Marion Pait in Blackwood Yet bapt May 23 1735". The identification of Blackwood yet would suggest that this is one and the same William Donald who married Susan Torrance 23 years later.
  • William Donald and Marion Pait were recorded as married on 5 February 1732 in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire. "William Donald, son to William Donald in Blackwood Yet and Marion Pait, datr to George Pait in Woodhead Febr 15 1732", and there is a record of a William Donald baptised on 4 February 1711 in the OPR of Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire to a William Donald and Mary Carscallen. "William son to Wm Donald and Mary Carscallen in Blackwood was bapt Feb 4 1711." Again the identification of Blackwood would suggest that this is one and the same William Donald who married Marion Pait 21 years later.
  • No record of the marriage of William Donald to a Mary Carsacllan has been found. However there is a family tree on the LDS Familysearch website which lists this couple and their children as follows - How accurate this tree is I do not know. There is a birth\baptism for a Thomas Donald recorded in the OPR of Lesmahagow, lanarkshire but with only a father's name listed, "Thomas Donald son to William donald, Blackwood, the 30 April 1693 James Mair Alex Miller Witness", although the residence is given as Blackwood. The baptism of Margaret is similarly recorded with just a father's name given, i.e. William. However the baptismal record of Catherine Donald of 17 November 1701 does give both a father's name William Donald and a mother's name Carscallan. The baptismal record of William Donald of 4 February 1711 also give both a father's name William Donald and a mother's name Carscallan. and the identifies the residence as Blackwood.
    As a result we can not be sure that Mary Carscallan was the mother of the first three children listed in this tree, and it is possible that the mother of the first three children died between 1696 and 1700, and that Mary Carscallen was William's second wife but this would seem unlikely. However the identification in the OPR record that Thomas Donald, baptised 30 April 1693 as being at Blackwood is strong evidence that he was one and the same as the father of William Donald baptised 4 February 1711 also at Blackwood. On this assumption it would suggest that William, their father was born circa 1670.
  • This tree can be found on Familysearch goes back a further generation with William who married Mary Carscallan being the son of William Donald and Marion Tarbet. There is certainly a record of a William Donald and Marion Tarbet, with their married\banns registered on 12 February 1663 in the Glasgow Parish register, who had a son William, whose birth\baptism was registered on 29 April 1666 in the Glasgow Parish register. This would fit as far as a timeline goes but I have no evidence to support this additional generation.

    Meikle Ancestry

    According to the age given for Margaret Meikle on her gravestone of 74 she would have been born circa 1765. It is therefore possible that she was one and the same as the Margaret Meikle recorded in the I.G.I as born 13th October 1765 in Lesmahagow, the daughter of William Meikle and Janet Meikle. This would seem to be confirmed by a number of DNA matches by my wife to other descendants of William Meikle and Janet MeikleWilliam Meikle and Janet Meikle. This couple had six known children: