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Janet Grieve born in 1814, Hawick.

Janet married Peter Fairbairn, a shoemaker, on 6 April 1855 in Hawick, Roxburghshire. Peter was born about 1807 in Edinburgh, Midlothian. For the census of 1861 Janet and Peter were living at 1 Fore Row, Hawick. I would surmise from the fact that there are no children included in this census and taking into account the couples' ages that they produced no children.

1861 Census (8 April) Hawick (789) Book15. Page 1.

1 Fore Row, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Peter Fairbairn Head 53 Journeyman Shoemaker Westkirk, Edinburghshire
Jamet Fairbairn Wife 44   Hawick, Roxburghshire

Janet died on 4 January 1877 in Wellington Place, Hawick. She was listed as dying at Wellington Place, Hawick, and recorded as a pauper, widow of Peter Fairbairn, shoemaker. (I believe Peter Fairbairn died 1869 in Hawick) Her parents were confirmed as Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Rachel Scott. The informant was her brother John Grieve who gave his address as 1 Allars Crescent, Hawick. 

Elizabeth Grieve born about 1815, Hawick, Roxburghshire

Elizabeth Grieve died in the Poorhouse, Hawick on 22 January 1888. Her parents were given as Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Betsy Grieve, maiden name Scott. Obviously to be "our" Elizabeth her mother's forename should be Rachel. I suspect that the forename Betsy was given mistakenly because the individual who registered the death was the Governor of the Poorhouse, and he simply didn't know so did "best guess".

I think Elizabeth had left Hawick prior to the 1841 census to work as a domestic in Edinburgh and there is a likely candidate for her - an Elizabeth Grieve born "outside the county" working in the home of Eliza and Harriet Winscom at 13 Duncan Street, St Mary's, Edinburgh -Midlothian (REF 685 ED 103 Page 11). Certainly for the 1851 census there is a record of what I am pretty sure would be "our" Elizabeth, aged 35 and born in Hawick, working in the household of James Boyd, a cabinet maker at 14 Scotland Street, St Mary's, Edinburgh. (REF 1851 - 685/01 166/01 06).

By 1881 Elizabeth had returned to Hawick and was living with her youngest sister Christina and her family, where she was recorded as "Family Housekeeper". The relationship "sister in law" confirms the fact that Elizabeth was a further daughter of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott.

1881 Census (4 April) Wilton (810) Book 7 Page 12.

21 Wellington Street, Wilton, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Mirner Head 52 Journeyman Tailor Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Mirner Wife 49   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Mirner Daughter 24 Wool Factory Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Betsy Grieve Sister in law 64 Family Housekeeper Hawick, Roxburghshire

As already stated Elizabeth died in the Poorhouse, Hawick on 22 January 1888, with the informant being the governor A. Grierson.

Walter Grieve born about 1816, Roxburghshire, Hawick?

It is believed Walter married Mary Oliver as there is a record of the marriage of a Walter Grieve and Mary Oliver on 15 December 1841 in Hawick in the Hawick Parish register. Mary's later death certificate names her parent's as Adam Oliver and ?? Anderson and I believe she was the daughter of Adam Oliver and Agnes Anderson. Unfortunately this Walter would seem to have died a few years prior to the 1851 census as there is a record of what is his family but headed by Mary Grieve listed as a widow. This means there is no marriage certificate or death certificate to confirm this Walter Grieve as "ours", however the fact that this couples eldest son was called Michael and that fortunately Walter Grieve is a fairly uncommon name I think is sufficient on this occasion to make the assumption that this Walter and "our" Walter are one and the same. We are sure Walter Grieve son of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott was single a least up until 7 June 1841 as he appears without any obvious wife in the household of his parents. The marriage was proclaimed in the groom's home parish of Hawick and the bride's home parish of Wilton, and confirms the groom to be of Hawick parish, which fits with Walter the son of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott. Also Walter Grieve who married Mary Oliver was a Wool Spinner (stated on the Wilton proclamation of their marriage (wife's parish) and on his wife's later death certificate) and Walter Grieve son of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott was also a woolspinner (1841 census). There is another Walter Grieve in the parish of Hawick who is about the right age but he would seem to be from farming stock. Walter Grieve who married Mary Oliver named his first son Michael, second son Adam and his only known daughter Agnes. This would fit with the using the tradition of first son after the paternal grandfather, first daughter after the maternal grandmother, second son after maternal grandfather and second daughter after the paternal grandmother. None of the above is conclusive but taken as a whole it is certainly persuasive! Walter and Mary had the following known children:

So for the census of 1851 "our" Walter's widow and her family were living in Fore Row Hawick. There are two visitors recorded William Oliver, a violin player, who although recorded simply as a "visitor" was I believe Mary's brother.  The other, a James Hannan aged 4, is a mystery?. Equally why there is a James Hart recorded, aged 1, born in Hawick recorded as son is unclear? Logically either he was a son of the deceased Walter in which case he should have been recorded as James Grieve and Walter must have circa died 1849 or Walter died circa 1847 and Mary had had a relationship shortly after her husbands death with a Mr. Hart?. Certainly in the 1861 census there is a James Grieve recorded and I would assume this is the same individual as the James Hart from the 1851 census recorded as "James Grieve"? Note. For the 1851 census there is a William Hart, a Irish sawyer, single, aged 23 and lodging a few streets away from the young widowed Mary?

1851 Census (31 March) Hawick (789) Book 12. Page 1.

Fore Row, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 30   Wilton, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 8 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
Adam Grieve Son 5   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Agnes Grieve Daughter 3   Hawick, Roxburghshire
James Hart Son 1   Hawick, Roxburghshire
William Oliver Visitor 32 Violin Player Wilton, Roxburghshire
James Hannan Visitor 4   Wilton, Roxburghshire

 

I understand this William Oliver or "Blind Wull" was a noted local fiddler. Born at Tandlaw, he lost his sight to a game cock at the age of 5, and also lost his father whilst young. He learned the violin from  a Johnnie Oliver, and played regularly at weddings and social functions. Tales were also told of his prowess as an angler and poacher and as a maker of nets. On one occasion he was caught poaching, but gave his captors the slip, escaping to Edinburgh, where he worked for a while. He also ran a dance class at the Fleece Inn ballroom, and is regarded as the last of Hawick’s blind celebrities. He was firstly married to an Agnes Henderson whom he married on 5 April 1845 in Hawick, and then latterly to a Catherine Ballantyne who he married on 17 February 1871 also in Hawick. Sadly he died shortly a few months after the wedding on 29 June 1871 at 11 Fore Row, Hawick. 

 

For the census of 1861 Mary was still living at 11 Fore Row Hawick. As already referred to there is a James Grieve aged 11 who I would assume to be the James Hart from the 1851 census. William Oliver, her brother, who was recorded as a visitor in the 1851 census seems to have "moved in next door". 

 

1861 Census (7 April) Hawick (789) Book 15. Page 8.

11 Fore Row, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 42   Wilton, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 18 Wool Warehouse Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Adam Grieve Son 16 Woolen Mill Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Agnes Grieve Daughter 13 Woolen Mill Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
James Grieve Son 11 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
William Oliver Head 43 Musician (Blind) Wilton, Roxburghshire
Agnes Anderson Neice 19 Domestic Servant Wilton, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1871 only her son Adam is recorded along with Mary in the family household at Fore Row.

1871 Census (2 April) Hawick (789) Book 13. Page 1.

11 Fore Row, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 51   Wilton, Roxburghshire
Adam Grieve Son 26 Freestone Miner (Journeyman) Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1881 the widowed Mary was living at 3 Green Wynd, Hawick working as a mangle woman,

1881 Census (4 April) Hawick (810) Book 12 Page 20.

3 Green Wynd, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head - Widow 60 Mangle Woman Wilton, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1891 the widowed Mary was living next door to her daughter Agnes at 21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick. 

1891 Census (5 April) Hawick (789) Book 21. Page 22.

21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 70 Living on Private Means Wilton, Roxburghshire
Andrew Butler Head 51 Foreman of Steam Frames Wilton, Roxburghshire
Agnes Butler Wife 42   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Mary Butler Daughter 19 Binder off, Steam Frames. Wilton, Roxburghshire
John Butler Son 14   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Maggie Butler Daughter 12   Hawick, Roxburghshire

Mary Grieve nee Oliver died on 10 March 1902 at 21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick, aged 82 . She was recorded the as the widow of Walter Grieve, Wool Spinner, with her parents being Adam Oliver, Tenant Farmer, and Agnes Oliver maiden name unknown. No record of her birth has been found.

The informant on Mary's death registration was Michael Grieve her son who gave his address as 16 Cavendish Road, Leicester.

John Grieve born about 1817, Roxburghshire, Hawick.

John married Isabella Biggar on 9 December 1844 in Hawick, Roxburghshire. Isabella was born about 1813 in Castleton, Roxburghshire. John and Isabella had the following children:

For the census of 1851 John and his family were living in Kirkgate, Hawick with John working as a Woollen Spinner.

1851 Census (31 March) Hawick (789) Book 13. Page 14.

Kirkgate, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Grieve Head 34 Woollen Spinner Hawick, Roxburghshire
Isabel Grieve Wife 37   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Mary Grieve Daughter 6 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
Rachel Grieve Daughter 4   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 1   Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1861 John and his family with the addition of a daughter Jessie, born About 1852, were living at 1 Allars Close, Hawick. John is still recorded as working as a Woollen Spinner.

1861 Census (8 April) Hawick (789) Book 5. Page 15.

1 Allars Crescent, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Grieve Head 44 Woollen Spinner Hawick, Roxburghshire
Isabella Grieve Wife 47   Castleton, Roxburghshire
Mary Grieve Daughter 16 General Servant Hawick, Roxburghshire
Rachel Grieve Daughter 14 Woollen Finsher Hawick, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 11 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
Jessie Grieve Daughter 8   Hawick, Roxburghshire

I believe that Isabella Grieve nee Biggar died in 1867 in Hawick, Roxburghshire and  brief scan of the indexes for the census of 1871 would seem to show the widowed John still  in Hawick presumably at 1 Allars Crescent, with at least his daughters Mary and Jessie in the household.

John died on 24 Apr 1880 in 1 Allars Crescent, Hawick. His parents were confirmed as Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Rachel Scott. The informant was his brother in law John Biggar (his late wife's brother) who gave his address as 9 Backdamgate, Hawick.

Rachel Grieve born about 1822, Hawick.

Appears in the family household for 1841 aged 20. Nothing further known.

Mary Grieve born about 1824, Hawick.

Mary died unmarried on 18 June 1856 in 16 Howgate, Hawick. The informant was her brother Alexander who gave his address as 70 High Street, Hawick. Mary was commemorated on gravestone in Hawick Churchyard

Alexander Grieve born on 19 Sep 1826, Jedburgh

Alexander married Elizabeth Young Rutherford the daughter of Barbara Potts Young and probably a Mr Rutherford on 28 Nov 1853 in Hawick. Next Generation in Family History

Margaret Grieve was born on 26 Mar 1829, Jedburgh.

Margaret may have died young as she does not appear in the 1841 census for the family.

Christian Grieve was born about 1830, Hawick (Jedburgh?)

Christian (or Christina) married a William Milner on 2 January 1854 in Hawick in the Hawick Parish register.  The surname Milner gets recorded in a number of variations through the records I have unearthed - Milner / Mirner / Minner / Merner. Merner seems the final mutation - maybe!! 

Shortly after their marriage Christian and William would seem to have had a daughter Rachel. Although no record of her birth has been found she is recorded along with her parents in the census of 1861 resident at Bourtree Place, Hawick. The surname is recorded as Milner for this census.

1861 Census (8 April) Hawick (789) Book 1. Page 5.

Bourtree Place, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Milner Head 32 Tailor Journeyman Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Milner Wife 27   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Milner Daughter 6 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1871 Christian and her family were recorded at 1 Wellington Place, Hawick. The surname is recorded as Minner.

1871 Census (3 April) Hawick (810) Book 4. Page 30.

1 Wellington Place, Wilton, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Minner Head 43 Tailor Journeyman Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Milner Wife 37   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Milner Daughter 16 Minder of Tweeds Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1881 Christian and her family were recorded at 21 Wellington Street, Hawick with their surname recorded as Mirner. Christina's elder sister Betsy is also recorded in the household. (See above).

1881 Census (4 April) Wilton (810) Book 7 Page 12.

21 Wellington Street, Wilton, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Mirner Head 52 Journeyman Tailor Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Mirner Wife 49   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Mirner Daughter 24 Wool Factory Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Betsy Grieve Sister in law 64 Family Housekeeper Hawick, Roxburghshire

On 5 June 1884, three years after this census, Christina's daughter Rachel Scott Mirner married a James Elliot, a tweed pattern weaver. The marriage took place at 19 Wellington Place, Hawick, (Rachel's address), and her parents were identified as William Mirner, Tailor, and Christina Mirner, nee Grieve. James's address was given as 19 Dalkeith Place, Hawick but only his mother's name is given, Jessie Elliot, a Wool Powerloom Weaver. The 1881 census shows him in his mother's household at Kirkwynd, Selkirk, and his mother is recorded as unmarried. The witnesses were John Elliot and Mary Kennedy. (See Note)

Christian Merner, nee Grieve died on 1 February 1885 at 19 Wellington Place, Hawick. She was recorded aged 49, married to William Merner, a Journeyman Tailor, as the daughter of Michael Grieve, a Wool Spinner, and Rachel Scott, both deceased. The informant was William Merner, Widower,

William Merner died on 18 July 1889 at 7 Wellington Place, Hawick. He was recorded a Journeyman Tailor, aged 64, the widower of Christina Grieve. He was also recorded as "illegitimate", with his father "reputed" as being William Merner, a Waiter in a Hotel, (deceased) and his mother as Helen Willison, afterwards wife of Thomas Mews, a Coul Miner (deceased). The informant was Jomes Elliot, son-in-law. (Rachel's husband.)

NOTE

Rachel and James had the following known children:

Rachel died on 24 Jul 1890 in 7 Wellington Street, Wilton, Hawick, Roxburghshire. James latterly married Janet Hall daughter of George Hall, a Baker, and Margaret Gray on 8 August 1895 in Galashiels, Selkirkshire. Janet was born on 4 Jan 1856 in Selkirk, Selkirkshire.